Re[2]: Lawsuits, angry business users, and SPF stupidity.

Hi Alex,

No - you misunderstand - the recipient ISP follows the policy of the
ISP identified in the envelope; this is not me (and it may or may not
even be my own ISP), and they may or (usually) may not list me in
their SPF system (especially not as I run my own outgoing mail server,
but I digress).

It is not "I" who block mail from others - its my ISP - and it is
beyond my control whether or not they do this, which is why I hate SPF
so much!  I cannot afford ever to loose even just 1 email.  Why is
this so hard for everyone to understand?

I can NEVER afford to loose ANY emails.

I can NEVER afford for my sent emails to get trashed without my
knowledge.

Please re-read those last 2 sentences before replying.

My remarks are not foolish - your assumption that everyone runs their
own mail server and therefore can easily add SPF records, and can
easily get all recipients to add SPF records for them is the foolish
remark here!

Kind Regards,
Chris Drake


Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 11:19:00 PM, you wrote:

AvdB> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:56:29PM +1100, Chris Drake wrote:

> > I strongly object to you guys forcing my ISP to trash my incoming
> > email without my permission.  I VERY strongly object to you guys
> > forcing my recipients ISP to trash my incoming emails without my
> > permission.
AvdB> That is the beauty of this system.  The recipient ISP follows
AvdB> your policy.  Your policy, so you _are_ (or not, of course) giving
AvdB> permission.  And it is _their_ decision to block, tag, ignore, or
AvdB> whatever else they decide to do.

AvdB> And vice versa, you do not have to block mail from others.  You can
AvdB> decide to handle verified senders with priority.  You can decide to
AvdB> not use the system at all.

AvdB> Even better, you have a way to _protect_ your business by stopping
AvdB> impersonation. *YOU* decide which mailservers are allowed to send
AvdB> mail in your name.  *YOU* can say that my mailserver, would I want
AvdB> to become a customer of you, can send mail "from" your domain.
AvdB> And *I* can designate your server as a valid submitter of email
AvdB> "from" my domain.


AvdB> Stop making those foolish remarks.  You don't even know what you
AvdB> are talking about.  THEY (as I do not consider myself to belong
AvdB> to "you guys") are not blocking anything. You, and your partners,
AvdB> are in full control.

AvdB> Alex (yes, a guy, but not one of the designers)

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