At 04:56 PM 6/20/2011, Dave CROCKER wrote:
On 6/20/2011 2:47 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Speaking only for myself, I will note that the worst IETF experience I
ever had was in Dallas: the location was remote and poor, we were
flooded out of the hotel, alternatives nearby were few, and you needed
a car to go anywhere.
It was, indeed, a horrible venue, along any number of parameters.
Andrew
rumor has it that IETF65 was supposed to be in New Orleans that
November, but got hit by a little event called Katrina, so (again -
only rumors) there had to be a mad scramble to find any hotel that
could take 1400 in 2 months notice.
Don't hold Dallas being hit by a freak storm against the city's
ability to have a decent conference - especially given more time to
plan which hotel to stay in.
Fortunately, Dallas has a few other choices that are likely to work
better, along every parameter we care about.
yes it does
James
> Also, the crime statistics for the city made me
uneasy.
The crime statistics for most American cities and most major
European cities make me uneasy. In 1983 I moved to Toronto from
Washington DC and was amused by the different perspectives about
crime. I was told there were a couple of blocks in downtown Toronto
that weren't very safe for women alone at night. By contract,
perhaps 1/3-1/2 of DC was unsafe for almost anyone at night and
maybe 1/4 for most folk during the day...
I've been ripped off twice in Paris including a double-team
pocket-picking. Purses and backpacks of IETF have been stolen --
including from the middle of meeting rooms(!) -- in Munich,
Stockholm and I believe some other places.
In any event, if crime statistics are to become a factor in choosing
IETF venues, the IETF community needs to develop some consensus
about this, including what the acceptable parameters are. As of
now, I believe that's not generally part of the discussion in choosing a venue.
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
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