S Moonesamy <sm+ietf(_at_)elandsys(_dot_)com> wrote:
At 23:15 31-08-2013, Scott Kitterman wrote:
That does seem better, but don't all parties have an obligation to
attempt to
communicate clearly?
The new text is as follows:
Participants, particularly those with English as a first language,
attempt
to accommodate the needs of other participants by communicating
clearly.
Participants try to accommodate each other.
Except for the part between the commas it's great. As written, it presumes that
a mis-communication between a native speaker of English and someone who isn't
is the fault of the native speaker. I don't think this is appropriate.
Scott K
At 09:08 01-09-2013, Barry Leiba wrote:
I think Scott has put this perfectly, and it's exactly right. The
main point is clear communication. Everything else is advice about
how to achieve that.
Yes.
We're all individuals, and we have different tolerance levels -- some
of us are more patient than others in trying to understand. That
said, this is also a collaborative environment, where everyone needs
to do her part. Native speakers need to use a level of English that's
likely to be accessible to non-natives, and to do the best they can to
understand what others are saying. Non-native speakers need to do
what they can to improve their English skills. Everyone has
responsibility.
Yes.
At 09:22 01-09-2013, Dave Crocker wrote:
If the document only cites concepts or principles or other terms of
abstraction, each of us is likely to interpret them /very/
differently. Especially for a topic like this.
Worse, even if we interpret them in the same way, we might not
understand what behaviors to attempt or to avoid, since that often
requires some understanding of the differences between cultures and
people.
Yes.
Brian Trammell explained it better than I could (see
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/diversity/current/msg00289.html
). Melinda Shore commented about what to avoid (e.g. highly
idiomatic language).
Somebody in the group, WG Chair, Area Director, or even a
participant, might explain what is causing a communication
problem. At the other end someone who has a problem understanding
what is being said can contact the WG Chair or Area Director
privately so that they can step in and help.
Regards,
S. Moonesamy