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Re: Re: Received your email: [Re: (spf-discuss)Good Domain List one step closer to reality...]

2004-08-21 00:37:13

Regarding the auto-response, I was very aware of the issue, which is
why when I signed up for the list, I requested a daily batch instead
of individual posts. Somehow my list configuration got hacked while
I was in the middle of answering other posts (I do not check email
every 30 seconds like some others).

Your list configuratuon got hacked?? Is that the story you will go with?


Mark give it up.

I also wrote in the same post you quote above:

http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200408/0703.html

"so that is why I set my list configuration to daily batch, but like I said, 
somehow I got hacked. I do not know how. Perhaps I accidentally resubmitted my 
list signup confirmation url or some obscure bug in your list software"


So I was admitting that I probably resubscribed myself with a different 
configuration.


Even if so, btw, you still remain banned at my server; because I then
consider you a rogue, "owned" zombie, whose output cannot be trusted. This
"I was hacked" story makes for a very lame excuse. Man, take some
responsibility!


So why are you replying to me?  Does that make you are liar?  Or do you browse 
all your spam folder?

Any way, I could care less.  Please do blacklist me at your server.  Please do 
it now and do not reply to me any more.  I would love that.


The issue with the auto-response is that if we reply to the
"Reply-To:" address, then the auto-response goes to the entire list,
which is even worse.  So we send the auto-response to the "From:"
address, which means to the person who posted to the list, which sent
me that person's post.  It is really not that wrong, if you consider
that if you send me an email (the list is forwarding it to me with
your From: address) then I have a right to respond to you.  If I
choose to respond with an auto-responder, that is my right.

What is it that Blake said? "The fool persists in his folly!"


The auto-responses did not persist after I posted that.  What is your point?


But my question to you experts is (and I will appreciate your help
very much), where can I find an exhaustive list of all formats of
list headers, so we can handle all lists?

Do you not think you should understand headers BEFORE you announce an
anti-spam product?


I do not think it is an issue of understanding the headers.   I think it is an 
issue of mailing lists not being compatible with some forms of auto-responders 
or vice versa depending on your perspective), as you will see below...  But I 
am willing to try to find a way to make AccuSpam compatible with your list.

Your insults do nothing to make that a reality.


I am asking seriously, here.


Is that a lie also?


You received a lot of flak, including from
yours truly.


Yes, your posts to me are full of useless insults.


But you obviously have no clue.


LOL.  Maybe you will *READ* the whole thread one day.


[snip]
Your woefully misconfigured autoresponder demonstrates a lack of pertinent
knowledge on your end (the least of which is not in the area of netiquette).


Is that the best substantive criticism of SenderKeys you can muster to attack 
AccuSpam's auto-responder, which has nothing to do with the SenderKeys Overview 
that is the subject of this thread?

That is very weak.


That does not inspire much confidence in your product.


Ask the current users of AccuSpam whether they are confident or not.  You will 
learn something.


And then you come
back, defending -- thus compounding -- your error, seeing nothing wrong with
it. While, at the same time, admitting you really have no good idea how to
interpret headers (which was an honest statement, btw). Something's gotta
give, Shelby. :)


Mailing lists are not my priority because none of my users use them yet.

You may not realize it, but REAL businesses have priorities.


To answer your question in the most unambiguous way I know how: the best way
for your autoresponder to deal with mailing lists, is to stay the heck clear
from them! Look for something that says:

"Precedence: list"


If we avoid any email with a header that says list, then spammers now have a 
way to avoid our auto-responder by just pretending to be a mailing list.  Again 
it will help if you would read before you post:

http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com/200408/0757.html


Giants walk on these SPF/IETF/MARID, etc. lists (I am not among them, btw).


Obviously...


If you send your autoresponder to people om these lists, you run the high
risk of a biggie pulling the rug from under you one day. In short: you
picked the very wrong sorts of list to tick people off by spamming them.


I do not think I have a fight with them.  You may wish it to be so, but it is 
not.


That is really a friendly piece of advice. Never say I did not warn you. ;)

Sorry but it seems more like veiled insults.


Thanks,
Shelby


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